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ArmySoldier 3 posts since
Oct 31, 2010
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Jan 13, 2011 3:56 PM

Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service (New Up-date Jan 13th, 2011)

SUBJECT: Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA)

 

1. This is an immediate message and requires dissemination to all recruiting
personnel.

 

2. This message is valid for 2 years from date of publication unless sooner
rescinded or superseded.

 

3. References:

 

a. Army Regulation 601-210, Regular Army and Army Reserve Enlistment
Program, (with Operational changes), dated 7 June 2007.

 

b. Department of the Army Memorandum, Prior Service Accessions Business
Rules for Grade Determinations, dated 28 September 2010.

 

c. USAREC message 10-021, Operation Blue to Green Enlistment Program,
dated 6 November 2009.

 

d. USAREC message 11-050, Prior Service (PS) enlistments into the Regular
Army (RA), dated 6 December 2010. (Rescinded)

 

4. The purpose of this message is to announce new guidance on Prior Service
(PS) enlistments into the Regular Army (RA). Administrative reduction is no
longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

 

5. Effective 5 January 2011, PS enlistments in all Skill Levels, to include
Soldiers from Sister Services applying for the Blue to Green (B2G) Program, are
restricted by critical MOS exception according to Human Resource Command (HRC)
Accessions Business Rules. This policy does not affect those PS already in
Delayed Status (DS). No reductions in pay grade will be favorably considered,
no exceptions.

 

6. This policy may affect Glossary NPS (DOS) enlistments in pay grade E-1 thru
E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered to be DOS
NPS applicants for the purpose of enlistment into the Regular Army.

 

7. The HRC Business Rules will be updated monthly by Human Resources Command
(see part II of this message).

 

a. Applicants in grade E-5 and above must submit a formal electronic
request for grade determination to CG, USAREC IAW with AR 601-210, Chapter
3-17.

 

b. If applicant is MOS qualified in an MOS listed for his/her pay grade in
paragraph 1a of the HRC business rules; approval will be granted in his/her
grade in current PMOS.

 

c. If applicant is not MOS qualified for a MOS listed for his/her pay grade
in paragraph 1a, then grade will be approved to retrain in an MOS listed in
paragraph 1b of the HRC business rules for his/her pay grade.

 

d. Applicants in pay grade E-4 and above who hold MOS 18B, 18C, 18D, 18E,
18F, 37F, 42R, 42S, 46Q, or 46R can request an exception to the Business
Rules. Send exception request thru GCR as a grade determination. Exceptions
are not always favorably considered.

 

8. If an applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a of the Business Rules and there are no retraining
vacancies in current grade listed in paragraph 1b of the Business Rules,
request for grade determination for the purpose of enlistment in the RA will not
be favorably considered due to lack of vacancies in MOS and grade, and not
qualifying for any MOS listed on the Business Rules. No reductions in pay grade
will be favorably considered, no exceptions.

 

PART II

 

MEMORANDUM FOR U.S. Army Recruiting Command (RCRO-EEP), Ft Knox, KY 40121.

 

SUBJECT: Prior Service Accession Business Rules for Grade Determinations
(ref AR 601-210)

 

1. This memorandum supersedes the memorandum dated 1 December 2010 and provides
new guidance to USAREC in the vacancies that may be filled. These Business
Rules are all encompassing for Prior Service (PS) vacancies. The following
vacancies are available provided the applicant is otherwise qualified.

 

a. Vacancies by grade and MOS:

 

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 11C, 12B, 12Y, 13T, 14T, 15Q, 25R, 25S,
35F, 35L, 35N, 35P (language dependent), 68M, 89D, 91F or 91S.

 

(2) Grade E-5 - 25R, 35F, 35L, 35N or 35P (language dependent)
or 91F.

 

(3) Grade E-6 - 35L

 

(4) Grade E-7 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

 

(5) Grade E-8 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

 

(6) Grade E-9 - no vacancies. Changes monthly based on the needs of
the Army.

 

b. If no vacancy exists, the following MOSs will be used for retraining,
however training seats are limited:

 

(1) Grades E-1 thru E-4 - 13T, 14T, 15Q, 25F, 25R, 25S, 35N, or 89D.

 

(2) Grade E-5 - 25R.

 

(3) Grades E-6 and above - no vacancies.

 

c. If applicant holds the grade and MOS that is listed in paragraph 1a
above, the applicant will enlist for Option 18, (U.S. Army First Assignment);
Prior Service Accession Branch (USAREC) will validate MOS qualifications.

 

2. For applicants who require a grade determination, Prior Service Accession
Branch (USAREC) will determine the enlistment grade as follows:

 

a. Applicant must enlist in the Delayed Status within 30 days of final
grade determination. He/she must understand that the vacancies constantly
change; if the grade determination expires prior to enlisting into the Delayed
Status, they could be subject to disapproval.

 

b. If applicant does not hold the grade and MOS that has an open vacancy
listed in paragraph 1a above and there are no retraining vacancies in current
grade listed in paragraph 1b above, he/she will not be granted accession at this
time. Administrative reduction is no longer authorized to fill a vacancy.

 

c Training opportunities exist for MOSs and grades listed in paragraph lb
above, however, training is limited. Once all training seats have been filled,
the NCOIC of the ROC will send an email out to all BN Operations and Senior
Guidance Counselors notifying them of this information.

 

3. All PS applicants that hold an ASI may submit for an exception to policy
without regards to the listed MOS vacancies in paragraph 1a above. All
exceptions are not favorably considered.

 

Message was edited by: Jennifer Matteucci

  • ArmySoldier 1,468 posts since
    Nov 1, 2006

    Mgarciamartinez,

     

    You beat me to it!

     

    Everyone... get with your local Recruiter to see how this message affects you!!! Good luck!!

  • User 33 posts since
    Feb 28, 2010
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    2. Jan 5, 2011 6:13 PM (in response to MrsMatteucci)
    Re: Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service

    Dont really understand what this message is saying? I am a NPS (DOS) trying to get back in, will the effect me? 

  • ArmySoldier 82 posts since
    Dec 4, 2010
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    3. Jan 5, 2011 6:35 PM (in response to Mrmatty)
    Re: Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service

    6. This policy may affect Glossary NPS (DOS) enlistments in pay grade E-1 thru E-4. Applicants with 179 days or less on Active Duty are considered to be DOS NPS applicants for the purpose of enlistment into the Regular Army.    ***Does ANY this apply to you????*** I recommend you speak with your local recruiter, it affects you but not as bad as myself and other E5 trying to get back in haha!! Good Luck!

  • User 33 posts since
    Feb 28, 2010

    But how does it affect me? dont understand what its saying. Is it saying thats the only MOS avaliable to NPS from E-1 thru E-5?

  • User 12 posts since
    Jul 30, 2009

    I'm not sure if im considered prior service or not. i was given a general discharge from the army national guard BEFORE leaving for basic. so does this affect me? I have been waiting for 3 months to go to MEPS and enlist, i really wanted 68W, and I have my EMT-Basic certification. Now that there is this rule, does it mean i cannot enlist, except for the few jobs listed? 

  • User 42 posts since
    Dec 18, 2010

    So they are taking ps 11c but not 11b is that right? That doesnt make me very happy

  • User 116 posts since
    Aug 5, 2010
    Currently Being Moderated
    8. Jan 5, 2011 11:51 PM (in response to hxntxr)
    Re: Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service

    Mrmatty and hxntxr:

     

    The key word is "may." GNPS/GPS inevitably need a waiver and/or some other type of paperwork that requires approval. What this is saying is that those that have the power to approve, may require the Soldier to agree to certain conditions. For example, I've seen on other Boards over the past month, certain people being told that a Recruiter won't work with them unless they agree to take a specific MOS from day one. One person was even told to put it in writing.

     

    Mrmatty: What this means for you is that the 'decision-maker' COULD decide to apply the PS rules to you, even though you're GNPS, if he/she wants to.

     

    hxntxr: Yes, you are considered GPS/GNPS. When you enlist with the Guard, you are "in," even if you never shipped out for IET. There is no DEP for the Guard.

     

    Until this announcement, GPS/GNPS were treated as new recruits, even with the need for waivers, etc. All MOSs, bonuses, etc. were available to them, just like to new recruits. This announcement doesn't guarantee that.

     

    In short, (1) this gives more decision-making power at the Recruiting Station level; (2) it COULD mean fewer MOS options for GPS/GNPS. You have to understand that the US Military is not here to serve you; you are here to serve it. Everybody wants Medic, MP, etc. - basically anything they think will translate into civilian work. And everybody wants AD!! This puts the military in a bad situation when it comes to filling many MOSs. These Business Rules give them some leeway in dictating who gets to go where, based on something other than line scores and availability. GPS/GNPS are a 'quantifiable' group, so it's easier to make rules for them. Of course, the problem is that this new authority won't be applied evenly across the country, so you'll have some getting treated like new recruits, and others treated like PS.

     

    It'll be interesting to see how many people start using out-of-state (read: friendly) Recruiting Stations.

     

    Atticus

  • User 33 posts since
    Feb 28, 2010
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    9. Jan 6, 2011 5:36 PM (in response to AtticusBlue)
    Re: Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service

    Ok thanks for clearing that up!

  • User 9 posts since
    Oct 30, 2010

    We've been patiently waiting for something to open for E5. The recruiter never informed us of this new buisness rule thing and when we called today......mostly everything was taken in the past 2 days. There is one open but it seems like trying to grab this one is more hassle than its worth. i am dumbfounded by the miscommunication between us and the recruiter. good luck to everyone and I hope this new buisness rule effects everyone in a positive way.

  • User 128 posts since
    Apr 27, 2010
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    11. Jan 7, 2011 4:15 PM (in response to LILYNANCY)
    Re: Jan 5, 2011 Business Rules for Prior Service

    Glad I signed my name a few months ago.  Good luck to the rest of you!

  • User 1 posts since
    Jan 8, 2011

    I am prior service Navy E5 which was in aviation. I have been working with my recruiter for about 3 solid months now trying to get back in AD and am currently in the final process of waiting on my medical check to come back so I can go to meps and just sign. I guess what I am asking is how is this message going to effect me. Am I OK since I have already been working wiht the recruiter or am I  just wasting my time now. I was already supposed to have gone to MEPS before christmas but the facility doing the check were dragging there feet which according to my recruiter was pushed until after the holidays which now I get this. Any ideas??

  • User 29 posts since
    Dec 13, 2009

    PSNavyguy

     

    From my understanding of it, unless you’ve signed your contract at meps prior to last Wednesday, then it affects us...

     

    I finally got cleared to go to meps, next Wednesday. It only took me about 3 weeks to get my "ok" to reenlist... Looks like I'm going to fall 7 days to late for my Army dream MOS. =)

  • User 15 posts since
    Dec 14, 2010

    Thank for posting! Sounds like Grade Determinations will be handled differently for E-5 and above, but can't tell exactly how. My husband is waiting on a Med Read and Grade Determination, in order to get to MEPS. Of course, we are hoping these things will happen before the rules change again. Will the Grade Determination process need to start over with this change?

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